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Sekhmet Orion
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Posted - 2008.03.08 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Sekhmet Orion on 08/03/2008 19:03:02
 Originally by: Broch Ensiive
EFT must do a horrible job at doing the math in eve then. Please show me how a thorax does more dps than a rupture? they both do the same speed, mind you the rupture gets a bonus to ROF! if you could just show me a setup that will out dps a rupture, id be satisfied! :-D
3 Mag stabs, 5 Electron Blasters with drones will do 550. Rupture struggles to get over 450.
But these numbers dont translate to actual combat. Experience is still the best tool for fitting ships. EFT is useful to see if you have the powergrid cpu 
To the OP...yes please Boost Minmatar 
Edit. Oh the above poster went for the 425 rupture and Neutron Rax, but whichever way you do it...Thorax is a DPS monster.
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Sekhmet Orion
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Posted - 2008.03.08 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Broch Ensiive
okay, now calculate that to the difference in tank!!!
You asked for a set up that made dps. Not one that was realistic. 
Even gank fitted I think I only ever have 2 Gyro's on a ruppy.
Raw dps thorax will out damage ruppy.
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Posted - 2008.03.08 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sekhmet Orion on 08/03/2008 19:16:13
Norwood, Autocannons always do more dps than arties. The only thing arty has is alpha strike. I would rub my hands in glee if I was fighting an arty ruppy in a 220 vulcan ruppy
Originally by: Broch Ensiive
lol well yeah, but in relavance to fitting issues LOL... sorry for not being specific! u cant run a tank with 5x heavy neutron II on a thorax but u can run a tank on a rupture with 425mm II... so please show me a dps setup that actually has a tank and can still out dps the rupture... the whole point is simply that the rupture is better than the thorax due to the fact that it can actually fit the dps setup; whereas, the thorax cant!
Thorax vs rupture would be a close fight if both properly fitted. Although the ruppy has the initial advantage using barrage to get a bit of falloff damage. Once in web range the blasters would hurt badly.
Btw I wouldn't active tank a gank rupture, 1600 plate 2 gyros dam control and energized (explo pump if you want to splash out)
Gank Rax's are fit similar...its just plate and resist with damage mods. Neither has the cap to run a tank for any length of time. With electrons and 1600 plate plus dam control. Thorax still out dps the ruppy, and has 22k effective hp, compared to the ruppys 21k
They are both very capable cruisers
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Sekhmet Orion
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Posted - 2008.03.08 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Broch Ensiive
In eve... assuming u fit the best mathematical gank/tank (nvm range/speed) the rupture will kill the thorax first assuming they sit at the optimal range of the thorax not moving and just firing away.
Its a close fight no matter what.
Thorax and Rupture are probably the best 2 cruisers in game.
Now the Minmatar battleships need some love. There is a world of difference between the tempest AC fit, and the Megathron blaster fit 
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Sekhmet Orion
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Posted - 2008.03.08 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Cz Ire
theres probibly a LOT of max skilled minmatar cruiser pilots - they amount of vaga's, rapiers, huginns out there pretty much guarentee's it.
and I guess i have to take back my comment about noone winning a tourney match with a maelstrom just now 
Maelstrom does make a good tourney ship. It has amazing dps with 800T2, and a nasty shield tank.
It kind of fails on TQ due to the scram web MWD problem completely negating its tank. So mega still beats it hands down solo...and armour tanks are easier to remote rep due to their buffer (in general)
However in tourney, my Minie BS 5 and large AC spec 5 might actually mean something 
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Sekhmet Orion
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Posted - 2008.03.08 20:09:00 -
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Edited by: Sekhmet Orion on 08/03/2008 20:10:47
Originally by: Cz Ire
yeah, i use a mael in tq pvp as well, and you can get around at least some of the sheild tanking issues by rigging resists, but thats not an option in the tournament (although you can pass up the scram and maybe the web if you have someone else webbing for you...)
but 3 gyros on a 800mm ac maelstrom can outdps a mega pretty decently on paper.
I get around 980dps with implants, but megas can do far more, however they dont tank as well. So if you lucky you can kill megas solo in it, but usually they web you and try to get out of optimal when they see how much dps you doing
Edit: also..just 1 tracking disruptor messes up the 800 tracking badly, unless you have a web..and thats another invul thrown away 
Thats why I like to fit some ECM drones
However for an AC ship...you really need that web scram MWD combo. That would make it awsome
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Sekhmet Orion
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Posted - 2008.03.08 20:41:00 -
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Edited by: Sekhmet Orion on 08/03/2008 20:41:54
Originally by: Cz Ire
to be fair we should be compairing a mael to hyperion or a mega to tempest, but imo a mega vs tempest isnt much of a compitition, unfortunatly. mega has something around nearly half again the dps of a pest :(
Fair point that a tier 3 Minie BS only just measures up to the Mega
With implants in, you can get Megas over 1100dps. I have been hit pretty hard by that nasty H Zub guy...trust me his Mega set up with only 2 mag stabs hits like a fkin mule And with the free high slot...the heavy neut kind of messes with a maels tank
Oh and mega can field 5 heavies...thats a nice little drone bay they have
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